> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Fetter [mailto:david at fetter.org] 
> Sent: 19 September 2006 16:08
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: Jan Wieck; slony1-general at gborg.postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [Slony1-general] Migrating From gBorg
> 
> > No, it's common sense.  Marc's day job is running his servers which
> > he knows inside out.
> 
> With due respect, his day job is working at the university, and he
> does not make his living running servers.  In fact, he loses money at
> that.

Err, I think you'll find Marc stopped working at the University a number
of years ago. I'd be interested to know how you have such knowledge of
his accounts btw.

> > Mine is running Vale Housing's servers.  I'll back up Marc as far as
> > the postgresql.org resources are concerned but neither I, nor anyone
> > else can be expected to know his systems as well as he does and it
> > is inevitable
> 
> No, it's not.

Why? Do you think you could come here and fix a problem with our mail
relays more quickly than I could? 

> It's not about "as quickly," it's about Marc's refusal to take the
> appropriate steps now that the project is much bigger than he has any
> idea how to deal with.  He consistently refuses to delegate, and does
> not answer hard questions.  This is the behavior of a petulant spoiled
> brat, not an infrastructure provider, and it's important to the
> PostgreSQL project in general and Slony-I in particular that our
> stability not be subject to his whims.

Yes, it has been that way in the past, however that is changing as the
problem has become apparent, and has changed a number of times in the
past as we've added more people with adminitrative access to different
servers. Don't forget, we do use the -core list occasionally, as well as
other channels of communication so just because something hasn't been
announced on -www doesn't mean it hasn't happened. :-).

> In fact, we can do just that.  Part of the deal of becoming a provider
> is that you agree to certain terms, which we can spell out.

We don't have the luxury of being that selective. It's not like we have
people clawing at the gates to give us free servers, power and
bandwidth.

Regards, Dave